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	<title>Comments on: Cloud and Multitouch CAD/PLM = Engineer&#8217;s Nightmare?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tord,
I will send you some monitor wipes that will take care of those fingerprints.

I expect that cloud applications will focus network traffic on inputs and outputs and leave the rest of the application and information on the servers. As I heard a long time ago when client-server started being replaced by web-based applications - &quot;I want my mainframe back.&quot; IT liked the control of the mainframe. Nobody loaded a random program that crashed the operating system on the client because it was a dumb green screen. All of the important configuration and maintenance work was controlled &quot;in the shop&quot; by IT. So the more the data and the software are away from the user, the easier it is to control. I suspect it is probably safer on a hosted server than on hundreds of local users&#039; hard drives.
Anyway, back to the apps. What we need on the client side is the ability to sense and respond what the user is communicating (mouse, touch, mind-control helmet, etc.) and provide feedback to the them. That seems like a dream to most people that have to support the infrastructure. Just make sure the users have a network connection and a browser, and the rest is handled in a controlled environment. How the technology will shift to make sure the inputs/output feedback loop is efficient and responsive I don&#039;t know. But that (to me) is a big key to making this work. But my coding days are a few years behind me at this point, I am sure there are others far more qualified to figure it out.
All the best,
Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tord,<br />
I will send you some monitor wipes that will take care of those fingerprints.</p>
<p>I expect that cloud applications will focus network traffic on inputs and outputs and leave the rest of the application and information on the servers. As I heard a long time ago when client-server started being replaced by web-based applications &#8211; &#8220;I want my mainframe back.&#8221; IT liked the control of the mainframe. Nobody loaded a random program that crashed the operating system on the client because it was a dumb green screen. All of the important configuration and maintenance work was controlled &#8220;in the shop&#8221; by IT. So the more the data and the software are away from the user, the easier it is to control. I suspect it is probably safer on a hosted server than on hundreds of local users&#8217; hard drives.<br />
Anyway, back to the apps. What we need on the client side is the ability to sense and respond what the user is communicating (mouse, touch, mind-control helmet, etc.) and provide feedback to the them. That seems like a dream to most people that have to support the infrastructure. Just make sure the users have a network connection and a browser, and the rest is handled in a controlled environment. How the technology will shift to make sure the inputs/output feedback loop is efficient and responsive I don&#8217;t know. But that (to me) is a big key to making this work. But my coding days are a few years behind me at this point, I am sure there are others far more qualified to figure it out.<br />
All the best,<br />
Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Tord</title>
		<link>http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2010/cloud-multi-touch-plm-engineering-software/comment-page-1/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Tord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim et al. 

My experience with cloud games still requires me to load the game on my local PC and then just the instructions get passed through to my netbuddies of where &quot;I&quot; am in the environment and what I am doing. Similarly I see the first gen &quot;CAD in the cloud&quot; keeping the instructions of how the model is made and passing that to  my computer to replicate. And vice versa. Instead of the entire CAD model. 

Second gen will require changes in the coding, maybe not in how the CAD part is created but in how it is put together. For example I may use parametric operations to author a part but it is stored as boolean primitives (like virtual legos). Our maybe the cloud keeps multiple tessalated surface models of each  step in the CAD history and sends me the appropriate level based on what I am doing to the model.

As for multi-touch, come by my cube and see the fingerprints on my non-touch monitor :-) I can&#039;t wait for a virtual chainsaw to make cuts to a stubborn part.

- Tord</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim et al. </p>
<p>My experience with cloud games still requires me to load the game on my local PC and then just the instructions get passed through to my netbuddies of where &#8220;I&#8221; am in the environment and what I am doing. Similarly I see the first gen &#8220;CAD in the cloud&#8221; keeping the instructions of how the model is made and passing that to  my computer to replicate. And vice versa. Instead of the entire CAD model. </p>
<p>Second gen will require changes in the coding, maybe not in how the CAD part is created but in how it is put together. For example I may use parametric operations to author a part but it is stored as boolean primitives (like virtual legos). Our maybe the cloud keeps multiple tessalated surface models of each  step in the CAD history and sends me the appropriate level based on what I am doing to the model.</p>
<p>As for multi-touch, come by my cube and see the fingerprints on my non-touch monitor <img src='http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I can&#8217;t wait for a virtual chainsaw to make cuts to a stubborn part.</p>
<p>- Tord</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nik,
Great job pointing out the NY Times article. Maybe a good idea to do some load testing on the network in addition to testing an individual workstation!

Always a pleasure to hear from you!

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nik,<br />
Great job pointing out the NY Times article. Maybe a good idea to do some load testing on the network in addition to testing an individual workstation!</p>
<p>Always a pleasure to hear from you!</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Brown</title>
		<link>http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2010/cloud-multi-touch-plm-engineering-software/comment-page-1/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiago,
I love your comment that any new technology isn&#039;t a nightmare unless they make it so. That is really all I am trying to say: Be cautious and make sure it will work for the people that are driving innovation in your company. I believe all of these problems can be solved, and in some instances manufacturers may be ready today. Thanks for summing it up so nicely!

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiago,<br />
I love your comment that any new technology isn&#8217;t a nightmare unless they make it so. That is really all I am trying to say: Be cautious and make sure it will work for the people that are driving innovation in your company. I believe all of these problems can be solved, and in some instances manufacturers may be ready today. Thanks for summing it up so nicely!</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Nik Pakvasa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nik Pakvasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim

Great post! There is  much buzz about  &#039;cloud&#039; which sometimes is disconnected from the reality. Please don&#039;t get me wrong. I am great believer in &#039;cloud&#039;...someday everything will be on &#039;cloud&#039;, including CAD.  But not yet., certainly not CAD. And yes I want that sexy iPad. Where can I sign up?

The most successful enterprise software on &quot;cloud&quot; today is saleforce.com. It is what I call a transactional application. CAD is not a transactional application. It is very interactive. It requires to down load large amount CAD data instantly.  So there are two key issues we need to overcome for CAD system to be practical on cloud  – first one is the perfomrmance of down loading CAD data and the second issue is  real-time interaction with CAD models - the problem you  have so nicely articulated.  And then there is the perennial problem of network bandwidth and uptime. There is very nice and timely article  with very appropriate headline - &quot;As Devices Pull More Data, Patience May Be Required&quot; in NY Time about mobile network bandwidth issue. (this may not apply to cable/dsl connections?).
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/technology/28overload.html?scp=1&amp;sq=network%20bandwidth&amp;st=cse

Regards

Nik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim</p>
<p>Great post! There is  much buzz about  &#8216;cloud&#8217; which sometimes is disconnected from the reality. Please don&#8217;t get me wrong. I am great believer in &#8216;cloud&#8217;&#8230;someday everything will be on &#8216;cloud&#8217;, including CAD.  But not yet., certainly not CAD. And yes I want that sexy iPad. Where can I sign up?</p>
<p>The most successful enterprise software on &#8220;cloud&#8221; today is saleforce.com. It is what I call a transactional application. CAD is not a transactional application. It is very interactive. It requires to down load large amount CAD data instantly.  So there are two key issues we need to overcome for CAD system to be practical on cloud  – first one is the perfomrmance of down loading CAD data and the second issue is  real-time interaction with CAD models &#8211; the problem you  have so nicely articulated.  And then there is the perennial problem of network bandwidth and uptime. There is very nice and timely article  with very appropriate headline &#8211; &#8220;As Devices Pull More Data, Patience May Be Required&#8221; in NY Time about mobile network bandwidth issue. (this may not apply to cable/dsl connections?).<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/technology/28overload.html?scp=1&#038;sq=network%20bandwidth&#038;st=cse" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/technology/28overload.html?scp=1&#038;sq=network%20bandwidth&#038;st=cse</a></p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Nik</p>
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		<title>By: Tiago Santos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiago Santos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim
I agree with Jeff on his opinion about cloud computing. So far the main problem that I had working with PLM was precisely with the network connections ending up being the bottleneck of the whole system.
I think, any new technology , isn&#039;t a nightmare for anybody unless they make it so.
In terms of future I would look at the new voice control technology from google being used in the Nexus 1. Or some upgrade on the existing space mouses, which are quite convenient for CAD software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim<br />
I agree with Jeff on his opinion about cloud computing. So far the main problem that I had working with PLM was precisely with the network connections ending up being the bottleneck of the whole system.<br />
I think, any new technology , isn&#8217;t a nightmare for anybody unless they make it so.<br />
In terms of future I would look at the new voice control technology from google being used in the Nexus 1. Or some upgrade on the existing space mouses, which are quite convenient for CAD software.</p>
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