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SAP – Too Much, or Too Little Credit for PLM Efforts?

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I had the chance to talk with … the PLM team at SAP recently to get an update on their plans and their progress to date. I have stayed in touch with them over the years, and have always been impressed by the opportunity they have to connect the business of manufacturing with the business of product development. As I reflected on the conversation, I struggled to understand why after all of the years of SAP getting too much credit for PLM, why they don’t seem to be getting as much credit for their recent efforts as I would expect. Today I hope to present both sides of the argument in the hopes to bring some clarity to the subject, and to start a conversation so we can all learn from each other.

Too Much Credit?

I have focused a lot of discussion on the complementary roles of ERP and PLM, and for many companies that translates to the roles of SAP and PLM. I have cautioned manufacturers in the past:

  • Not to assume that an ERP provider that “checks the box” for PLM actually has a suitable PLM suite
  • Don’t assume that any company offering both ERP and PLM have actually integrated them in a way that works for their particular business
  • PLM suites vary significantly between vendors, even among the “best-of-breed” vendors
  • PLM is not just another module of ERP, but a suite of solutions itself with some unique requirements

Those comments were typically in reaction to the “suite provider effect” where executives take a cursory look at a software requirement (such as PLM) and say “Doesn’t our ERP company have that? Let’s just use theirs.” While the ERP vendor’s solution deserves a review, if it doesn’t meet the business needs than the potential benefits of a single vendor and an integrated solution don’t add up to much. This conversation started way back in 2003 with my article Can ERP Speak PLM? in Technology Evaluation Centers (TEC) when I served as the analyst for the PLM Evaluation Center.

With all of those cautions in mind, my hope was that manufacturers that have an ERP (such as SAP) would do a thorough evaluation of their needs, and then select the solution (or solutions) that would work best for their business. In other words, they shouldn’t just take PLM from their ERP provider blindly.

Not Enough Credit?

With all of those cautions aside, the ERP provider should get a fair evaluation. There are benefits to integration and a single vendor solution. And SAP has clearly invested in PLM. I wrote about SAP’s PLM strategy and roadmap in the past on my Manufacturing Business Technology blog.* SAP has taken on a multi-year program to enhance their PLM offering, and they have made significant progress. Last year they introduced a new, web-focused interface that pulls together a product-centric dashboard for an item. The “PLM Object Navigator” as it was called offers information about a part from both ERP and PLM perspectives, including configurable sidebars. They have now extended that interface to the process PLM community, where SAP has a significant installed base.

But user interface isn’t all that SAP has focused on. They have integrated CAD management and visual communication capabilities to develop visual representations of the CAD models that all users can access. They have added functionality including labeling functionality for consumer packaged goods (CPG). They have also enhanced product compliance, collaboration, and requirements management.

SAP has remained consistent in their focus to support four PLM “value scenarios,” enabling business processes to help manufacturers in specific initiatives to establish “Product and Service Leadership“:

  • Consumer-Driven, Sustainable Innovation
  • Integrated Product Development
  • Continuous Product and Service Integration
  • Embedded Product Compliance

The names have changed slightly over time, but the needs SAP is trying to meet are well-planned, important, and have remained consistent. Clearly, SAP has a plan and has been hard at work to achieve it.

The Confusion, and the Questions

When I talk to the SAP PLM team, I can feel the excitement and their sense of accomplishment. I hear about the progress on their plans and how they are fulfilling the needs of their customers. Yet from the manufacturers I speak with, I don’t feel the same enthusiasm. So here are my questions:

  • Am I talking to the wrong companies, or the wrong people?
  • Is it still too early?
  • Did the down economy last year stall SAP’s ability to get the word out?
  • Does SAP not have the ear of the product innovation, product development, and engineering staff?
  • Are manufacturers tired of hearing what is coming?
  • Is there just still more that needs to be done?
  • Are the best-of-breed vendors too far ahead? Or too entrenched?
  • Is there a slow revolution happening that I am just not in touch with?

So that’s what I hear from SAP, and my resulting confusion. I hope you found it interesting. What do you think? Can you help shed some light on my questions?

*Note: Sorry, no link to past posts on SAP PLM right now. Unfortunately the blog was taken offline by Reed Business when they closed the magazine. I hope to get that content back at some point to share with you.

SPEAK YOUR MIND

  1. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  2. Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience. I will see if SAP has anything available to share that provides some insight. I have been briefed but I don’t have anything I can easily share. Stay tuned.

  3. Glad to hear of SAP’s continued efforts in this area. Sorry for the cliche, but “the proof’s in the pudding”. My previous investigations of SAP’s PLM offerings found them to be less comfortable in user experience than most, if not all other PLM , offerings, and requiring a 3rd party supported CAD integration. These two aspects were high in value to the organizations(s) pursuing PLM, so it really had no chance to ‘win the business’ even as an already-established ERP platform.rn I’m very interested to see their new offerings, and whether usability ( e.g. action ‘comfort’ , time to adoption ) and CAD integration support have improved.rn Much of the value of PLM capabilities ( Part-centric document management, product structure, CAD version control and collaboration, to name a few ) is to the less ‘transaction-centric’ people in a product organization. These people, if not all software users, are very oriented to a flexible, intuitive, and easily adopted user interface for a variety of regularly performed tasks. Such an interface hasn’t been readily present in the SAP implementations I’ve recently seen, but perhaps improvements are just not yet seen by me.rnrnIt would be great to get links, if available , to more information about the improvements you mention.

  4. Jim one of the points that seems to be surfacing is the notion of iterative in that PLM is developed to support an iterative process and ERP does not support iterative change. This seems confusing to me and maybe I am wrong or just confused, but isnu2019t managing multiple versions combined with configurations and effectivity dates a clear example of iteration?rnrnAfter going back and reading through this post I got thinking about how and why there is a lack of a common view. I expect this has to do with a clear u201cdefinitionu201d of PLM. Jim have you seen a clear and concise definition of the features of PLM? Iu2019m not talking about some marketing hype about product innovation. Iu2019m talking about something that clearly defines what it delivers and how. I know the u201cdefinitionu201d topics has been written about a lot but I expect by now someone has resolved this.rn

  5. Mike,nThank you for your comments. I do agree that for SAP (or any ERP company) to do PLM right, it will take more than software. They also have to instill that domain knowledge in their service people, their partners, and their full offering. That is why an acquisition sometimes makes entry into a new area like this easier. You get the people and the knowledge along with the software. Not to mention customers.nThanks,nJimnnPS – I am not sure if you have seen any of my thoughts on the roles of ERP and PLM, it sounds like we have some similar viewpoints. This post shares some of my thoughts and links to some other posts and papers on ERP and PLM http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2009/evolving-roles-erp-plm-manufacturing/

  6. During the late 80’s and early 90’s SAP succeeded in branding itself as the superior enabler of manufacturing and planning processes, to the point where they offered best practice processes, embedded in the software, for things like mrp, sfc, financials, etc. As you know, these processes are largely “transactional”. For many years they ignored the concept of the “creative” processes inherent in product development. Unfortunately, that branding still lingers in the cultures and minds of many companies. The creative process of design is not transactional. In my opinion, no matter how relevant the SAP products might be, it will take a while to educate the creative process participants and win them over. I could go on and on about my experiences in companies dealing with this. Education, not marketing, is the key.

  7. Conrad you are correct. PLM cannot hold SAP out of this space http://blog.vuuch.com/?p=609. When/If SAP gets it right then the value to use a CAD based PLM solution versus a ERP based PLM solution will be minimal and as well SAP can push out the PLM vendor on price alone.

  8. So where is all of the information on early designs stored today? I would suggest that little is in PLM and more is in documents, hard drives, shared folders, etc. I assume you would agree.rnrnSo where should it be? Are you proposing ERP? Before I even know if I am going to really pursue the idea? Or Vuuch? But I don’t think your plan is to provide any data/document management capabilities, but to sit on top of those types of systems. SharePoint? Or maybe…PLM?rnrnIt seems to me that you need (at a minimum) some place to store/manage early design concepts, even if they are sketches and high-level conceptual or systems design. Why not PLM?rnrnPS – Finally got Disqus working for comments, threading is back, hope notifications, etc. work

  9. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  10. Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience. I will see if SAP has anything available to share that provides some insight. I have been briefed but I don’t have anything I can easily share. Stay tuned.

  11. Glad to hear of SAP’s continued efforts in this area. Sorry for the cliche, but “the proof’s in the pudding”. My previous investigations of SAP’s PLM offerings found them to be less comfortable in user experience than most, if not all other PLM , offerings, and requiring a 3rd party supported CAD integration. These two aspects were high in value to the organizations(s) pursuing PLM, so it really had no chance to ‘win the business’ even as an already-established ERP platform.rn I’m very interested to see their new offerings, and whether usability ( e.g. action ‘comfort’ , time to adoption ) and CAD integration support have improved.rn Much of the value of PLM capabilities ( Part-centric document management, product structure, CAD version control and collaboration, to name a few ) is to the less ‘transaction-centric’ people in a product organization. These people, if not all software users, are very oriented to a flexible, intuitive, and easily adopted user interface for a variety of regularly performed tasks. Such an interface hasn’t been readily present in the SAP implementations I’ve recently seen, but perhaps improvements are just not yet seen by me.rnrnIt would be great to get links, if available , to more information about the improvements you mention.

  12. Jim one of the points that seems to be surfacing is the notion of iterative in that PLM is developed to support an iterative process and ERP does not support iterative change. This seems confusing to me and maybe I am wrong or just confused, but isnu2019t managing multiple versions combined with configurations and effectivity dates a clear example of iteration?rnrnAfter going back and reading through this post I got thinking about how and why there is a lack of a common view. I expect this has to do with a clear u201cdefinitionu201d of PLM. Jim have you seen a clear and concise definition of the features of PLM? Iu2019m not talking about some marketing hype about product innovation. Iu2019m talking about something that clearly defines what it delivers and how. I know the u201cdefinitionu201d topics has been written about a lot but I expect by now someone has resolved this.rn

  13. Mike,nThank you for your comments. I do agree that for SAP (or any ERP company) to do PLM right, it will take more than software. They also have to instill that domain knowledge in their service people, their partners, and their full offering. That is why an acquisition sometimes makes entry into a new area like this easier. You get the people and the knowledge along with the software. Not to mention customers.nThanks,nJimnnPS – I am not sure if you have seen any of my thoughts on the roles of ERP and PLM, it sounds like we have some similar viewpoints. This post shares some of my thoughts and links to some other posts and papers on ERP and PLM http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2009/evolving-roles-erp-plm-manufacturing/

  14. During the late 80’s and early 90’s SAP succeeded in branding itself as the superior enabler of manufacturing and planning processes, to the point where they offered best practice processes, embedded in the software, for things like mrp, sfc, financials, etc. As you know, these processes are largely “transactional”. For many years they ignored the concept of the “creative” processes inherent in product development. Unfortunately, that branding still lingers in the cultures and minds of many companies. The creative process of design is not transactional. In my opinion, no matter how relevant the SAP products might be, it will take a while to educate the creative process participants and win them over. I could go on and on about my experiences in companies dealing with this. Education, not marketing, is the key.

  15. Conrad you are correct. PLM cannot hold SAP out of this space http://blog.vuuch.com/?p=609. When/If SAP gets it right then the value to use a CAD based PLM solution versus a ERP based PLM solution will be minimal and as well SAP can push out the PLM vendor on price alone.

  16. So where is all of the information on early designs stored today? I would suggest that little is in PLM and more is in documents, hard drives, shared folders, etc. I assume you would agree.rnrnSo where should it be? Are you proposing ERP? Before I even know if I am going to really pursue the idea? Or Vuuch? But I don’t think your plan is to provide any data/document management capabilities, but to sit on top of those types of systems. SharePoint? Or maybe…PLM?rnrnIt seems to me that you need (at a minimum) some place to store/manage early design concepts, even if they are sketches and high-level conceptual or systems design. Why not PLM?rnrnPS – Finally got Disqus working for comments, threading is back, hope notifications, etc. work

  17. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  18. Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience. I will see if SAP has anything available to share that provides some insight. I have been briefed but I don’t have anything I can easily share. Stay tuned.

  19. Glad to hear of SAP’s continued efforts in this area. Sorry for the cliche, but “the proof’s in the pudding”. My previous investigations of SAP’s PLM offerings found them to be less comfortable in user experience than most, if not all other PLM , offerings, and requiring a 3rd party supported CAD integration. These two aspects were high in value to the organizations(s) pursuing PLM, so it really had no chance to ‘win the business’ even as an already-established ERP platform.rn I’m very interested to see their new offerings, and whether usability ( e.g. action ‘comfort’ , time to adoption ) and CAD integration support have improved.rn Much of the value of PLM capabilities ( Part-centric document management, product structure, CAD version control and collaboration, to name a few ) is to the less ‘transaction-centric’ people in a product organization. These people, if not all software users, are very oriented to a flexible, intuitive, and easily adopted user interface for a variety of regularly performed tasks. Such an interface hasn’t been readily present in the SAP implementations I’ve recently seen, but perhaps improvements are just not yet seen by me.rnrnIt would be great to get links, if available , to more information about the improvements you mention.

  20. Jim one of the points that seems to be surfacing is the notion of iterative in that PLM is developed to support an iterative process and ERP does not support iterative change. This seems confusing to me and maybe I am wrong or just confused, but isnu2019t managing multiple versions combined with configurations and effectivity dates a clear example of iteration?rnrnAfter going back and reading through this post I got thinking about how and why there is a lack of a common view. I expect this has to do with a clear u201cdefinitionu201d of PLM. Jim have you seen a clear and concise definition of the features of PLM? Iu2019m not talking about some marketing hype about product innovation. Iu2019m talking about something that clearly defines what it delivers and how. I know the u201cdefinitionu201d topics has been written about a lot but I expect by now someone has resolved this.rn

  21. Mike,nThank you for your comments. I do agree that for SAP (or any ERP company) to do PLM right, it will take more than software. They also have to instill that domain knowledge in their service people, their partners, and their full offering. That is why an acquisition sometimes makes entry into a new area like this easier. You get the people and the knowledge along with the software. Not to mention customers.nThanks,nJimnnPS – I am not sure if you have seen any of my thoughts on the roles of ERP and PLM, it sounds like we have some similar viewpoints. This post shares some of my thoughts and links to some other posts and papers on ERP and PLM http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2009/evolving-roles-erp-plm-manufacturing/

  22. During the late 80’s and early 90’s SAP succeeded in branding itself as the superior enabler of manufacturing and planning processes, to the point where they offered best practice processes, embedded in the software, for things like mrp, sfc, financials, etc. As you know, these processes are largely “transactional”. For many years they ignored the concept of the “creative” processes inherent in product development. Unfortunately, that branding still lingers in the cultures and minds of many companies. The creative process of design is not transactional. In my opinion, no matter how relevant the SAP products might be, it will take a while to educate the creative process participants and win them over. I could go on and on about my experiences in companies dealing with this. Education, not marketing, is the key.

  23. Conrad you are correct. PLM cannot hold SAP out of this space http://blog.vuuch.com/?p=609. When/If SAP gets it right then the value to use a CAD based PLM solution versus a ERP based PLM solution will be minimal and as well SAP can push out the PLM vendor on price alone.

  24. So where is all of the information on early designs stored today? I would suggest that little is in PLM and more is in documents, hard drives, shared folders, etc. I assume you would agree.rnrnSo where should it be? Are you proposing ERP? Before I even know if I am going to really pursue the idea? Or Vuuch? But I don’t think your plan is to provide any data/document management capabilities, but to sit on top of those types of systems. SharePoint? Or maybe…PLM?rnrnIt seems to me that you need (at a minimum) some place to store/manage early design concepts, even if they are sketches and high-level conceptual or systems design. Why not PLM?rnrnPS – Finally got Disqus working for comments, threading is back, hope notifications, etc. work

  25. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  26. Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience. I will see if SAP has anything available to share that provides some insight. I have been briefed but I don’t have anything I can easily share. Stay tuned.

  27. Glad to hear of SAP’s continued efforts in this area. Sorry for the cliche, but “the proof’s in the pudding”. My previous investigations of SAP’s PLM offerings found them to be less comfortable in user experience than most, if not all other PLM , offerings, and requiring a 3rd party supported CAD integration. These two aspects were high in value to the organizations(s) pursuing PLM, so it really had no chance to ‘win the business’ even as an already-established ERP platform.rn I’m very interested to see their new offerings, and whether usability ( e.g. action ‘comfort’ , time to adoption ) and CAD integration support have improved.rn Much of the value of PLM capabilities ( Part-centric document management, product structure, CAD version control and collaboration, to name a few ) is to the less ‘transaction-centric’ people in a product organization. These people, if not all software users, are very oriented to a flexible, intuitive, and easily adopted user interface for a variety of regularly performed tasks. Such an interface hasn’t been readily present in the SAP implementations I’ve recently seen, but perhaps improvements are just not yet seen by me.rnrnIt would be great to get links, if available , to more information about the improvements you mention.

  28. Jim one of the points that seems to be surfacing is the notion of iterative in that PLM is developed to support an iterative process and ERP does not support iterative change. This seems confusing to me and maybe I am wrong or just confused, but isnu2019t managing multiple versions combined with configurations and effectivity dates a clear example of iteration?rnrnAfter going back and reading through this post I got thinking about how and why there is a lack of a common view. I expect this has to do with a clear u201cdefinitionu201d of PLM. Jim have you seen a clear and concise definition of the features of PLM? Iu2019m not talking about some marketing hype about product innovation. Iu2019m talking about something that clearly defines what it delivers and how. I know the u201cdefinitionu201d topics has been written about a lot but I expect by now someone has resolved this.rn

  29. Mike,nThank you for your comments. I do agree that for SAP (or any ERP company) to do PLM right, it will take more than software. They also have to instill that domain knowledge in their service people, their partners, and their full offering. That is why an acquisition sometimes makes entry into a new area like this easier. You get the people and the knowledge along with the software. Not to mention customers.nThanks,nJimnnPS – I am not sure if you have seen any of my thoughts on the roles of ERP and PLM, it sounds like we have some similar viewpoints. This post shares some of my thoughts and links to some other posts and papers on ERP and PLM http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2009/evolving-roles-erp-plm-manufacturing/

  30. During the late 80’s and early 90’s SAP succeeded in branding itself as the superior enabler of manufacturing and planning processes, to the point where they offered best practice processes, embedded in the software, for things like mrp, sfc, financials, etc. As you know, these processes are largely “transactional”. For many years they ignored the concept of the “creative” processes inherent in product development. Unfortunately, that branding still lingers in the cultures and minds of many companies. The creative process of design is not transactional. In my opinion, no matter how relevant the SAP products might be, it will take a while to educate the creative process participants and win them over. I could go on and on about my experiences in companies dealing with this. Education, not marketing, is the key.

  31. Conrad you are correct. PLM cannot hold SAP out of this space http://blog.vuuch.com/?p=609. When/If SAP gets it right then the value to use a CAD based PLM solution versus a ERP based PLM solution will be minimal and as well SAP can push out the PLM vendor on price alone.

  32. So where is all of the information on early designs stored today? I would suggest that little is in PLM and more is in documents, hard drives, shared folders, etc. I assume you would agree.rnrnSo where should it be? Are you proposing ERP? Before I even know if I am going to really pursue the idea? Or Vuuch? But I don’t think your plan is to provide any data/document management capabilities, but to sit on top of those types of systems. SharePoint? Or maybe…PLM?rnrnIt seems to me that you need (at a minimum) some place to store/manage early design concepts, even if they are sketches and high-level conceptual or systems design. Why not PLM?rnrnPS – Finally got Disqus working for comments, threading is back, hope notifications, etc. work

  33. Jim,

    You may be aware that we have been working with PlatinumDB and SAP on an integration of our value-based portfolio optimization system (Portfolio Navigatortm) with SAP’s RPM (PPM) application. We are just about to be certified as a fully integrated component. I have been very impressed with the work SAP has been doing in this aspect of PLM; the people here at the Palo Alto lab are doing exceptional work and the new EcoHub approach – friendly to third party vendors is a real step forward.

    I see several challenges: first, as I believe we have dicussed in the past, PLM is so damn broad that few people can get their heads around it. In many companies the components of PLM are still departmentalized or silo-ed. The IT people to whom most of the sales people at SAP have devoted their time often have no good concept of the needs of the individual business entities that make up PLM. The SAP large account sales people often do not really know how to deal with the “business” types in NPD, R&D, etc. We have run across many instances where SAP (and other ERP vendors) have sold a gigantic package to IT and have “thrown in” PLM components as part of the deal with the business user often not even knowing these applications exist within their IT systems. Because of this, many departmental managers and their teams constantly gripe about the “big” IT system and often see no benefit, frequently because systems have been thrust upon them.

    The answer? get down and dirty and sell to users – learn their problems and help them solve them. Unfortunately for many IT sales persons, who are used to selling huge and costly systems and reaping correspondingly huge commissions/bonuses this does not represent a lot of money in their pockets!

    We will soon mount, with PlatinumDB and SAP a major sales campaign for an integrated system that comes pre-packaged with all the links needed to do the PPM job: strategically based on Portfolio Navigator™ value optimization, and operationally/tactically based on RPM (recently renamed PPM I think), cProject, BPM and BOBJ. We will not be selling to IT directly but to the people who are responsible for running the project/product business and corresponding portfolio.

    Hope all goes well for you.

    Don

    • Don,
      Selling to users? Trying to solve real business problems? That’s crazy talk!

      All kidding aside, you make a very good point. The people that make decisions on IT packages are often very disconnected with the people that use them. That is not always true, and I believe CIO organizations have evolved a lot over the last twenty years to include the business in decisions. But there are a lot of companies that mandate that their companies use the “free” or “existing” solution from a large vendor without really knowing whether or not it fits the needs. SAP has “had” PLM for some time. What I see now is a team that is really trying to get more companies to use it, and focusing on addressing their business needs. They have a plan, but there is a lot of work to do. And as you know, sometimes it is hard for the big vendors to really invest in specialized needs (like value based management).

      Glad to hear things are going well, thanks for contributing.
      Jim

  34. My first take away or reaction to your post is that you were very impressed by what the ERPers have shown you. That said your questions are very interesting in that you seem to not be able to find evidence in the market/customers. But what about another question? Does it really matter? Maybe the evidence is hard to find because it is hard to find any real PLM evidence? Or maybe customers are protecting what has been done and installed and are not going to change?

    Let me look at this from another angle. Why do we really need a separate PLM tool? Certainly if you look at what PLM is used for you will conclude that ERP should replace this separate solution. It is very simple to argue that PLM is nothing more than a data management and release application. Part of why you can take this position is the fact that the time an asset lives in PLM before being released into ERP is very short and much of the data in PLM really came from ERP, part_number is a example case. I put together a slide to this case which you can find here http://www.vuuch.me/collaboration/fileRepNW4/discussions/714.

    If you look at how someone takes out a part_number and determines a vendor for a part you will find this is more of a collaborative effort than a database exercise. To determine a vendor is more than selecting from the approved vendor list and adding this information to some field. The team must debate and determine the right vendor, making any number of trade-offs. Can they support more business, do we have to many parts with that supplier, do we have a quality process that will work, our tooling is at another vendor… OK so how can a part_number be collaborative? To be fair it is not as collaborative than vendor selection but certainly there is a debate of when do I pull that number. The mere fact there is a part number changes everyone’s life. And the largest drive to this or typical hurdle is that you want to buy some parts and it needs a number for ERP to do the buying. So why does the part need to go through PLM for this? It doesn’t.

    • Chris,
      Thanks for your comments. I am going to respond to separate points.

      1- Do we really need a separate PLM tool? I will rephrase that as “shouldn’t we have one system (ERP) that does everything?”
      My answer may surprise you. I say yes, we should. There is a reason that ERP exists and has absorbed capabilities from yesteryear’s best-of-breed inventory management, manufacturing planning, purchasing, order management, accounting, human resources, …. packages. An integrated system is fantastic. I think most vendors would agree. One vendor (one throat to choke, as my old colleague used to say) and an integrated solution. What more could you want? I left ERP and came to PLM because I believed that the intersection of the two was compelling. So here we agree (I think).

      So who offers that solution? And when will we see it? Some functions are relatively standard across industries. Others are much more unique. That is why most ERP vendors have gone very vertical with their solutions. So has PLM. So for ERP to match best-of-breed PLM (recognizing that it is not just PDM, but a suite of solutions) will take time and effort. There are two choices for ERP. Buy PLM (like Oracle did) or take your time to build it (like SAP is doing). There are also some significant differences between ERP and PLM, which I have written about before and won’t repeat here. If you are interested, start with this response to Oleg where I “mythbust” some of his views on ERP and PLM. It also has links that will lead to a research report on the topic for those that are interested. http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2010/mythbusting-erp-plm-integration/

      2 – Is PLM trivial? OK, I know you didn’t ask that question, but I am going to answer it anyway. You pointed out that the asset of a part lives in PLM much shorter of a time than it does in ERP. That PLM is data management and release. Here we don’t agree. PLM is data, processes, and collaboration around product innovation, product development, and engineering. I will not get into the debate about whether PLM lives on after release to manufacturing (it does), but just focus on the importance of that “short time” the part is in PLM. If you are simply buying a purchased part, no big deal. But developing a part – and a part that is part of an Assembly – that is part of a subsystem – that is part of a product – is very complex. There is a tremendous amount of work and information that goes into the multiple iterations. I will tell you from my past experience in ERP – you don’t want that in your transactional system. It is history, it is knowledge, but it is also clutter. It is the opportunity for someone to make a mistake. Don’t get me wrong, it can be a part of an ERP vendor’s solution, but it is not the same thing.

      3 – OK, I do think it’s cool you vuuched me the presentation so we can share it and discuss it. The point that brings up is that collaboration is all about context. PLM is the context for product development. ERP (or maybe MES) is the context for manufacturing (at least the execution side, perhaps not manufacturing engineering/process). I do like that you can abstract the collaboration layer by creating a page for an underlying piece of context (be it a PowerPoint or a part). But shouldn’t every ERP or PLM vendor provide those capabilities themselves? Why should that be a separate application? Why do we need a separate application for collaboration?

    • Reply to point 2 – Jim, you are correct that PLM “hoped” to be data, process and collaboration. But the truth is the hope has not been realized. Take the simple case where a team is managing the design of a part. Every bit of what goes on to get this part defined and out the door, the back and forth between everyone involved (the collaboration), is done completely outside of PLM. You wrote “There is a tremendous amount of work and information that goes into the multiple iterations” which is absolutely accurate. This is the back and forth I make mention of and no matter the size of the team this process occurs in email and the management of lists.

      • Reply to reply on point 2 –
        You point out the exact problem. Collaboration needs to be around a context – the product content. The content in PLM is expanding to include more non-technical data (specs, requirements, etc.) which should be the center of the conversation.

        The conversation today is disconnected from the content. Where is the knowledge captured? Nowhere. Shouldn’t it be tied back to the underlying product information? Where else do you think that will live in the early product lifecycle? You know my answer is PLM. So let’s hook the collaboration (electronically, hopefully using social computing tools) back to the product context.

    • Reply to point 3 – I have not separated collaboration from these tools, users have. It is a fact that collaboration, getting stuff done, is not part of how these tools are used. PLM and ERP record results. And yes you are right that information in ERP might be connected/related to what is going on but you cannot force this connection. Users need a flexible and simple way to work.

      • Chris,
        The threading doesn’t appear right, my apologies. This is my (short) reply to your Point 3.

        – I agree
        – Let’s fix that as an industry
        – It is broken
        – Let’s tie collaboration to context

        My vote is for social computing tools to be applied to PLM. That is why I like what you are doing with Vuuch. But how can that information become a corporate asset?

        • You say “Let’s tie collaboration to context”. This is exactly what Vuuch does. And Vuuch makes this a corporate asset. PLM, like ERP forces a fixed data and process model on to the team. This is why so much is spent on customization…

          When you look at how people get stuff done you find a very unstructured and freeform approach. Vuuch embraces this idea.

          Imagine a designer tracking issues on a part from within CAD and a project manager working from within Outlook. Purchasing emails the PM saying the vendor failed an audit and cannot be used. The PM puts this on a list of things to be resolved. Using Vuuch the PM jus drags the email on the Vuuch page for the affected part and in real-time everyone working on the part knows about this. Everything done to resolve this problem is tracked by Vuuch. As part of resolving this issue, purchasing gives a new vendor a PO for a small run of parts. In order to tie this back they Vuuch the PO record in ERP.

  35. I think there are two fundamentals – data management and process. The struggle of ERP vs. PLM mostly about who can keep data in the way is needed for engineering. When you’re done with data (Excel, PDM, PLM, ERP…) whatever, you’ll think about how to collaborate or have a process around your data.

    • Oleg,
      Always with the data first! What about the business processes? I feel a bit of deja vu, haven’t we had this conversation?

      PLM is expanding. Processes like environmental product compliance (just an example) require solid product data, but also a process to gather compliance declarations and to analyze compliance of your parts. The data has to be centralized and managed, I agree. But beyond just keeping everybody on the same page, it is what you do with the data (processes) that makes it so compelling. Then, collaboration fits on top of data and processes. At least in my humble opinion.

      Thanks Oleg,
      Jim

  36. Jim you make a point about environmental compliance as an example of something PLM should manage. Yet the first solutions to this requirement are NOT part of a PLM platform. SolidWorks released their “Green Button“ solution embedded within CAD and Sustainable Minds has a WEB solution that you use in the design phase to do trade-off analysis. Neither of these has anything to do with PLM. As well most of the data required to actually perform an environmental impact calculation is not contained within the PLM system. To follow this thought through it actually is not contained in CAD either. To link this back to my original point, compliance is a design issue and if PLM is not being used at the very beginning then PLM will not be involved with solving this problem. Environmental compliance is exactly like the age old fact that 80% of the cost is defined in the first 20% of the project. The environmental impact of a product is defined in the first 20% of the project, which means you DO NOT need a CAD model to make this calculation. So I think it is safe to say if you have a CAD model then it is too late to do anything about cost or environmental impact, as you have a design and it will get pushed out the door.

    • Chris, your reply may seem a bit out of context to some, let me include this interaction from us via e-mail to catch them up to speed:

      Chris:
      My basic argument is:
      • PLM was created to address Design and Release and had further hope to go into the backend (MFG and beyond).
      • PLM failed to penetrate up stream in Design and failed to penetrate downstream into MFG and beyond, rendering it a release solution.
      • Imagine a solution that takes a foot hold in Design.
      • You then have a Design solution, a Release tool and a Manufacturing solution.
      • The middle is not needed!

      Jim (in reply):
      You are talking too hypothetically.

      ERP does not:

      – Manage the design process
      – Have enough detail to really manufacture a product, just to plan and account for it (where does all the process detail for MES come from? Not ERP.
      – Effectively span a multi-enterprise product development process
      – Serve as the “backbone” for product information as it was imagined to. If it did, why would we need to have MDM or PIM?

      PLM is:

      – More penetrated in product development and design than you say (in my experience)
      – Pretty good at managing product development processes that rely on early product information (compliance, etc.)
      – The best suited tool to become the “design solution” you discuss

      Should PLM disappear after release to manufacturing? As soon as companies get their products right the first time and don’t every redesign them after release.

      Jim

    • And now my reply to your reply…

      Compliance is a great example. For compliance, you need to know the regulations first. But then what do you need? Product configurations! Where is this? PLM (or your magic “design solution” that lives up front. That information (ideally, now I am getting hypothetical) exists before you have a CAD model in place. It should start at a conceptual design level. Where does that exist? SolidWorks? See my framework for compliance in this post (ironically titles PLM is not enough for compliance, but actually makes a point about physical testing not ERP or CAD) http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2010/plm-part-product-compliance/.

      Yes, you need a lot more information. Compliance information can come from a company like IHS. LCA information can come from Sustainable Minds. But who should manage the process? Why do you think PTC bought Synapsis? Because product compliance is an early issue, and that is where PLM comes in. To address business issues early in the product lifecycle. Cost (don’t get me started), compliance, quality plans, service plans, manufacturing plans … I would rather see all of those consolidate into PLM. Then if PLM can consolidate well into ERP – so be it.

      Bringing this back to SAP – that is one of the things that SAP has a great opportunity to do – integrate those business decisions early in the product lifecycle based on the fact that they already run the business of manufacturing. Of course where will it happen? SAP PLM. But the best-of-breed guys are also getting pretty good at integrating to SAP (ERP in general) to get the information they need.

      Final Point – PLM provides the context (product data such as product configurations) required for early processes like compliance.

    • ERP does not:
      – Manage the design process
      [CW] Based on your original post I can only assume SAP actually does this pretty well.
      – Have enough detail to really manufacture a product, just to plan and account for it (where does all the process detail for MES come from? Not ERP).
      [CW] Correct it is not in ERP. The data to make a product, either at the part level or to assemble it is absolutely NOT in PLM.
      – Effectively span a multi-enterprise product development process
      [CW] ERP reaches across more of the enterprise than PLM does today.
      – Serve as the “backbone” for product information as it was imagined to. If it did, why would we need to have MDM or PIM?
      [CW] Maybe I do not get the point but if I google MDM I get ERP.

      PLM is:
      – More penetrated in product development and design than you say (in my experience)
      [CW] At the large places only. But get into a design team and you will find it is not really used and certainly not early in the process.
      – Pretty good at managing product development processes that rely on early product information (compliance, etc.)
      [CW] Pretty good at managing versions. But we did a good job at this before we had PLM.
      – The best suited tool to become the “design solution” you discuss
      [CW] This I complete disagree on. The need is very different then the approach behind PLM.

      Should PLM disappear after release to manufacturing? As soon as companies get their products right the first time and don’t every redesign them after release.
      [CW] No it does not disappear. When you go back and redesign or make a change you go back to the release and start there again. I can show you cases in FDA customers where PLM stores the released parts but has no idea where the models are for these…. And this works in a very regulated industry. Also if I check a part out of PLM and want to know why a surface finish is what it is or why a feature is there, PLM has no clue.

    • Compliance is a broad term and to be clear lets only focus on Environmental Impact. This is early and you need nothing but an idea/concept to start this process. You do not need a configuration from PLM to do this. Of course you need to define what the product is, but you can jot this down on a white board. Then you start to ask questions like how will we package it? What end-of-use systems do we need to have? Will we want the plastic parts to be capable of being recycled? These points actually become factors in your calculation as well they become design requirements. For example if I want to recycle my plastic parts, then I cannot paint them. Which in turns dictates what they can look like and what materials I will use to get the look I want. As well what I might need to do in tooling. All of this leads to a configuration.

      • So where is all of the information on early designs stored today? I would suggest that little is in PLM and more is in documents, hard drives, shared folders, etc. I assume you would agree.

        So where should it be? Are you proposing ERP? Before I even know if I am going to really pursue the idea? Or Vuuch? But I don't think your plan is to provide any data/document management capabilities, but to sit on top of those types of systems. SharePoint? Or maybe…PLM?

        It seems to me that you need (at a minimum) some place to store/manage early design concepts, even if they are sketches and high-level conceptual or systems design. Why not PLM?

        PS – Finally got Disqus working for comments, threading is back, hope notifications, etc. work

  37. To me it seems that SAP is making a dent in the PLM market, even when the CAD vendor has a PDM in place to closely manage 3D content on the Engineering side, I have seen SAP come in and sell to the Manufacturing Engineering side. The CAD vendors should be paying attention to why.

  38. So where is all of the information on early designs stored today? I would suggest that little is in PLM and more is in documents, hard drives, shared folders, etc. I assume you would agree.

    So where should it be? Are you proposing ERP? Before I even know if I am going to really pursue the idea? Or Vuuch? But I don’t think your plan is to provide any data/document management capabilities, but to sit on top of those types of systems. SharePoint? Or maybe…PLM?

    It seems to me that you need (at a minimum) some place to store/manage early design concepts, even if they are sketches and high-level conceptual or systems design. Why not PLM?

    PS – Finally got Disqus working for comments, threading is back, hope notifications, etc. work

  39. During the late 80’s and early 90’s SAP succeeded in branding itself as the superior enabler of manufacturing and planning processes, to the point where they offered best practice processes, embedded in the software, for things like mrp, sfc, financials, etc. As you know, these processes are largely “transactional”. For many years they ignored the concept of the “creative” processes inherent in product development. Unfortunately, that branding still lingers in the cultures and minds of many companies. The creative process of design is not transactional. In my opinion, no matter how relevant the SAP products might be, it will take a while to educate the creative process participants and win them over. I could go on and on about my experiences in companies dealing with this. Education, not marketing, is the key.

    • Mike,
      Thank you for your comments. I do agree that for SAP (or any ERP company) to do PLM right, it will take more than software. They also have to instill that domain knowledge in their service people, their partners, and their full offering. That is why an acquisition sometimes makes entry into a new area like this easier. You get the people and the knowledge along with the software. Not to mention customers.
      Thanks,
      Jim

      PS – I am not sure if you have seen any of my thoughts on the roles of ERP and PLM, it sounds like we have some similar viewpoints. This post shares some of my thoughts and links to some other posts and papers on ERP and PLM http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2009/evolving-roles-erp-plm-manufacturing/

  40. During the late 80's and early 90's SAP succeeded in branding itself as the superior enabler of manufacturing and planning processes, to the point where they offered best practice processes, embedded in the software, for things like mrp, sfc, financials, etc. As you know, these processes are largely “transactional”. For many years they ignored the concept of the “creative” processes inherent in product development. Unfortunately, that branding still lingers in the cultures and minds of many companies. The creative process of design is not transactional. In my opinion, no matter how relevant the SAP products might be, it will take a while to educate the creative process participants and win them over. I could go on and on about my experiences in companies dealing with this. Education, not marketing, is the key.

    • Mike,
      Thank you for your comments. I do agree that for SAP (or any ERP company) to do PLM right, it will take more than software. They also have to instill that domain knowledge in their service people, their partners, and their full offering. That is why an acquisition sometimes makes entry into a new area like this easier. You get the people and the knowledge along with the software. Not to mention customers.
      Thanks,
      Jim

      PS – I am not sure if you have seen any of my thoughts on the roles of ERP and PLM, it sounds like we have some similar viewpoints. This post shares some of my thoughts and links to some other posts and papers on ERP and PLM http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2009/evolv

  41. Jim one of the points that seems to be surfacing is the notion of iterative in that PLM is developed to support an iterative process and ERP does not support iterative change. This seems confusing to me and maybe I am wrong or just confused, but isn’t managing multiple versions combined with configurations and effectivity dates a clear example of iteration?

    After going back and reading through this post I got thinking about how and why there is a lack of a common view. I expect this has to do with a clear “definition” of PLM. Jim have you seen a clear and concise definition of the features of PLM? I’m not talking about some marketing hype about product innovation. I’m talking about something that clearly defines what it delivers and how. I know the “definition” topics has been written about a lot but I expect by now someone has resolved this.

  42. Jim one of the points that seems to be surfacing is the notion of iterative in that PLM is developed to support an iterative process and ERP does not support iterative change. This seems confusing to me and maybe I am wrong or just confused, but isn’t managing multiple versions combined with configurations and effectivity dates a clear example of iteration?

    After going back and reading through this post I got thinking about how and why there is a lack of a common view. I expect this has to do with a clear “definition” of PLM. Jim have you seen a clear and concise definition of the features of PLM? I’m not talking about some marketing hype about product innovation. I’m talking about something that clearly defines what it delivers and how. I know the “definition” topics has been written about a lot but I expect by now someone has resolved this.

  43. Glad to hear of SAP’s continued efforts in this area. Sorry for the cliche, but “the proof’s in the pudding”. My previous investigations of SAP’s PLM offerings found them to be less comfortable in user experience than most, if not all other PLM , offerings, and requiring a 3rd party supported CAD integration. These two aspects were high in value to the organizations(s) pursuing PLM, so it really had no chance to ‘win the business’ even as an already-established ERP platform.
    I’m very interested to see their new offerings, and whether usability ( e.g. action ‘comfort’ , time to adoption ) and CAD integration support have improved.
    Much of the value of PLM capabilities ( Part-centric document management, product structure, CAD version control and collaboration, to name a few ) is to the less ‘transaction-centric’ people in a product organization. These people, if not all software users, are very oriented to a flexible, intuitive, and easily adopted user interface for a variety of regularly performed tasks. Such an interface hasn’t been readily present in the SAP implementations I’ve recently seen, but perhaps improvements are just not yet seen by me.

    It would be great to get links, if available , to more information about the improvements you mention.

    • Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience. I will see if SAP has anything available to share that provides some insight. I have been briefed but I don’t have anything I can easily share. Stay tuned.

  44. Glad to hear of SAP's continued efforts in this area. Sorry for the cliche, but “the proof's in the pudding”. My previous investigations of SAP's PLM offerings found them to be less comfortable in user experience than most, if not all other PLM , offerings, and requiring a 3rd party supported CAD integration. These two aspects were high in value to the organizations(s) pursuing PLM, so it really had no chance to 'win the business' even as an already-established ERP platform.
    I'm very interested to see their new offerings, and whether usability ( e.g. action 'comfort' , time to adoption ) and CAD integration support have improved.
    Much of the value of PLM capabilities ( Part-centric document management, product structure, CAD version control and collaboration, to name a few ) is to the less 'transaction-centric' people in a product organization. These people, if not all software users, are very oriented to a flexible, intuitive, and easily adopted user interface for a variety of regularly performed tasks. Such an interface hasn't been readily present in the SAP implementations I've recently seen, but perhaps improvements are just not yet seen by me.

    It would be great to get links, if available , to more information about the improvements you mention.

    • Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience. I will see if SAP has anything available to share that provides some insight. I have been briefed but I don't have anything I can easily share. Stay tuned.

    • Hi,

      I think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information.

      Check out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.


      Besides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:
      http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plm

      Regards, Ulf.

      • Ulf,
        Thanks for posting the video. It does a nice job of showing the object navigator, and how it can pull information from different places. But the scenario wasn’t very realistic. There was no engineering work done to validate the new screen being proposed, and a “product manager ” made the change. I know I am nitpicking their demo, but I wonder if there is a lesson to be learned from this?

        I find it interesting that the demo shows primarily business aspects of the product (inventory, sales, quality, supplier, supplier specs) versus technical ones. In my ERP-PLM roles research, I have discussed ERP as “the business of manufacturing” while PLM is “Innovation” focused. This demo (to me) would suggest that any technical work that needed to be done, such as determining whether the new screen require any changes to the embedded software, impacts regulatory compliance, taxes the power supply, or changes the manufacturing processes, happens outside of this system. Where would that work be managed? Simply changing a BOM (without an engineering change request or approval process, but again I am nitpicking) is typically not the answer to a more complex problem.

        I know it’s a simple demo. And it does a great job showing how business information for a product can be consolidated and viewed. But what about engineering? I know SAP has done some work there too, I was surprised not to see it.

        Just my initial reactions. Thanks to Ulf for passing this along.

        Jim

  45. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  46. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  47. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  48. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  49. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  50. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  51. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  52. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  53. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  54. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  55. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  56. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  57. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  58. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  59. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  60. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  61. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  62. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  63. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  64. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  65. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  66. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  67. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  68. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  69. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  70. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  71. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  72. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  73. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  74. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  75. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  76. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  77. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  78. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  79. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  80. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  81. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  82. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  83. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  84. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  85. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  86. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  87. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  88. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  89. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  90. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  91. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  92. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  93. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  94. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  95. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  96. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  97. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  98. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  99. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  100. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  101. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  102. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  103. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  104. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  105. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  106. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  107. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  108. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  109. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  110. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  111. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  112. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  113. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  114. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  115. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  116. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  117. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  118. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  119. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  120. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  121. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  122. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  123. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  124. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  125. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  126. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  127. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  128. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  129. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  130. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  131. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  132. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  133. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  134. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  135. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  136. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  137. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  138. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  139. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  140. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  141. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  142. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

  143. Hi,rnrnI think a couple of people were interested in links to more SAP PLM information. rnrnCheck out YouTube for example for a high-level demo.rnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liK3nIHC6nwrnrnBesides that, you might want to visit the SAP PLM BPX Community page, there is an overview presentation on SAP PLM 7.0 posted there:rnhttp://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/bpx/plmrnrnRegards, Ulf.rnrn

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